Wanna Help Out?

[Count Zero]

I was poking around various websites tonight. I stopped at Michaelmoore.com and was reading the letters. I noticed this one...

http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/willtheyevertrustusagain/index.php?id=3

Now whether or not you agree with the soldier or Moore I noticed the thing about school supplies. I was thinking of putting together a box of stuff and sending it to this soldier. Anyone interested in helping out?

Jonathan

[Wintermute]

Maybe I'm a horrible person, but I'd prefer to help underfundered American schools.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

Mind you, I'm feeling particuarly dour today.

"Sorry we bombed the shit out of you. Here, have some pencils."

I'm tired of helping out schools in general. I guess I'm tired of it because I get taxed, and it goes to shit I don't support, and then I become this enabler, because the school can struggle on without *real* funding, which only encourages fucktards to cut school funding *more*.

When they start going door to door, asking for contributions for bombs and bullets, then I'll consider donating to a school.

[Count Zero]

ooooookay then.... I will do it on my own then...

Jonathan

[Skyman]

Probably want to put this in the spam forum or advertisement...

[opwunder]

My wife has taught at the elementary level for over 24 years. She spends, on an average, $1500.00 a year for supplies, teaching materials, and student incentives. I think I have donated enough to education already. I also have grave doubts that a box of pencils will truly sway anyone to be pro-American...

[BreakfastOfChampions]

My wife has taught at the elementary level for over 24 years. She spends, on an average, $1500.00 a year for supplies, teaching materials, and student incentives. I think I have donated enough to education already. I also have grave doubts that a box of pencils will truly sway anyone to be pro-American...

True, but are we donating to make someone pro-American, or are we donating to make sure they get a good education.

Me personally, I feel that if I did donate, then Mr Bush and friends would use my goodwill toward their political benefit.

Fuck them. Fuck them with pencils.

[mordraine]

Probably want to put this in the spam forum or advertisement...

Yes true. Not a thread that belongs in the Discussion forum (which, strictly speaking, is a forum for discussing RPG stuff in general). Anything non RPG related should be posted to Spam.

[Count Zero]

I was just going to blow it all off... but....

Wow...You guys are all some cynical sons of bitches.....

Its about doing something that's good. Sure you will say we should support our underfunded schools but you won't do anything about it and you will probably vote against that next bond issue.

And I am sure that sending pencils to a collection of kids in another country will really support the war effort.

Ooo wait.... I have given enough... that's another good one. That's my favorite.

Some things are good to do... see it isn't that you guys care about politics or underfunded schools... it just struck me that you are too lazy or simply don't give a shit. That just tells me that you guys are really lame.

I doubt any of you actually care about what is going on in this country or Iraq. You don't really care that we went to war for lies or that civil rights are being stomped on. You don't really care that 20,000+ Iraqis have died in the war. It just gives you something to bitch about and a tool to make yourself feel better than those stupid conservatives/liberals. It just makes you feel important and feel like you are doing something.

hmm.... I just expected something a little better....

[mordraine]

Umm... should I now send this to Debate?

[Lowly Uhlan]

Some things are good to do... see it isn't that you guys care about politics or underfunded schools... it just struck me that you are too lazy or simply don't give a shit. That just tells me that you guys are really lame.

I doubt any of you actually care about what is going on in this country or Iraq. You don't really care that we went to war for lies or that civil rights are being stomped on. You don't really care that 20,000+ Iraqis have died in the war. It just gives you something to bitch about and a tool to make yourself feel better than those stupid conservatives/liberals. It just makes you feel important and feel like you are doing something.


Dude, don't get pissed off because people don't agree with you. You're posting on a gaming website and you should have expected off the wall feedback.

There's a bunch of packages of notebook paper laying around in my parent's garage. I'll see if they'll give them to me, then I'll give them to you. Both my sister and stepmom work at Staples and I'll see if I can drag anything up.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

heh. I think CZ is just having one of his 'liberal moments' again. Remember the helicopter footage? We were all bloodthirsty animals that at the innards of babies because we were impressed and/or stunned at the violence from an Apache Helicopter?

I mean, I'm really suprised I took time out of watching "Faces of Death - The Complete Series" to even both responding to the pencil box post. It must have been when they were only killing some animal, or a particularly non-bloody scene.

I guess I could get all offended and mention that sending pencils to a country that needs clean, potable water is possibly one of the most useless gestures I've ever seen in my life, but 1) that would be mean and just demean your gesture and 2) wouldn't be true, because I've read dumber ideas, but not necessarily more condescending. But I'm not going to get all offended about it because that would really go against your image of me being an uncaring bastard who throws children in the gutter because I might be creating the next Charles Dickens.

CZ, please don't think this response means that I'm necessarily interested in your opinion, or even in debunking it, because I wouldn't want to deprive you of your self-righteousness.

[cczernia]

Yeah, I've always had the policy of not doing anything at all. A bugger on the street, fuck him, he doesn't deserve my hard earned cash. He can sink or swim like the rest of us and if he chooses to sink he won't receive a penny from me to buy the booze to escape from it.

I mean, any gesture to help people out is just abused by someone or redirected toward something. So, I say we put an end to kindness and being helpful. It really is a worthless concept and most Unamerican. So, let the the cancer eat us away, the aids patients die in their beds, keep the poor stupid. As long as it doesn't require me to lift a finger a spend a cent than I'm happy. Because nothing we do works anyway.

[Wintermute]

Hey Count Zero, way to fill a post with baseless accusations and poor assumptions! Maybe you should take the time to actually understand our points of view, instead of calling us wrong because we disagree with you on this point.

Let's see, so far you've assumed the following:

1. I won't do anything about underfunded American schools, and will probably vote against the next school bond.

2. I'm lazy and apathetic.

3. I don't care about what's going on in this country.

4. I don't care what's going on in Iraq.

5. I don't care that we went to war for lies.

6. I don't care that my civil rights are being stepped on.

7. I don't really care that 20,000+ Iraqis have died in the car.

8. I feel better than those stupid conservatives and liberals (which is true... I feel better than stupid people of all political views!)

9. Bitching makes me feel important.

Soooo, we've got 9 assumptions in your post about me, all because I stated that I'd rather help underfunded American schools. I'll reply with just one assumption... that you don't know shit about me, and I'd kindly appreciate it if you do a little bit of homework before accusing me of all these things. It's not like I'm secretive about my views, and your arguments would hold a lot more water if you knew thing one about me.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

Yeah, I've always had the policy of not doing anything at all. A bugger on the street, fuck him, he doesn't deserve my hard earned cash. He can sink or swim like the rest of us and if he chooses to sink he won't receive a penny from me to buy the booze to escape from it.

I mean, any gesture to help people out is just abused by someone or redirected toward something. So, I say we put an end to kindness and being helpful. It really is a worthless concept and most Unamerican. So, let the the cancer eat us away, the aids patients die in their beds, keep the poor stupid. As long as it doesn't require me to lift a finger a spend a cent than I'm happy. Because nothing we do works anyway.

Right on man! Hey, lets get together and roll some homeless people! Sometimes you get a couple of bucks out of it. Nothing like a bit of the ultraviolent!

[Wintermute]

Right on man! Hey, lets get together and roll some homeless people! Sometimes you get a couple of bucks out of it. Nothing like a bit of the ultraviolent!

Rolling homeless people always makes me hungry. Let's eat some babies after that, I hear the president cooks up a good one.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

Hey Count Zero, way to fill a post with baseless accusations and poor assumptions!

Didn't we have a baseless accusation thread?

Why yes! We did (http://rpg-sandiego.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1469&highlight=baseless+accusation )

[BreakfastOfChampions]

[quote:d7c0281d2f="BreakfastOfChampions"]Right on man! Hey, lets get together and roll some homeless people! Sometimes you get a couple of bucks out of it. Nothing like a bit of the ultraviolent!

Rolling homeless people always makes me hungry. Let's eat some babies after that, I hear the president cooks up a good one.[/quote:d7c0281d2f]

Well, of course he does! He uses Cheney's own recipe!

[Lowly Uhlan]

Right on man! Hey, lets get together and roll some homeless people! Sometimes you get a couple of bucks out of it. Nothing like a bit of the ultraviolent!

Just before I play any minis game I go kill a hobo with a hammer. Gets me in a good aggressive frame of mind.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

[quote:b1173486bb="BreakfastOfChampions"]

Right on man! Hey, lets get together and roll some homeless people! Sometimes you get a couple of bucks out of it. Nothing like a bit of the ultraviolent!

Just before I play any minis game I go kill a hobo with a hammer. Gets me in a good aggressive frame of mind.[/quote:b1173486bb]

:lolup:

I dunno why its so funny, but it is!

[Lowly Uhlan]

You guys should try it before roleplaying. :shock: :)

[Jake]

Personally I think CZ is right. Several points coming.

Under-funded American schools. Helping these kids at a time like could only help us. And these schools are crazy under-funded. These kids would probably be whistling Dixie out of their assholes to go to our shiftiest school.

BoC you get taxed? Tough shit. So do we all. If you’re that worried about taxes remember that you can always write it off.

It might not sway anyone to be pro-American but it might sway them not to completely fucking hate us. Or at the very least open the eyes of one kid so he doesn’t grow up to be a suicide bomber.

And this is hardly a dumb idea. Potable water? Yes that would be nice. But at 8lbs a gallon it would be really hard to ship. I’ve always believed that education is one of the most beneficial things in society.

And as to why CZ got pissed. Can you really blame him? The guy goes out of the way to try and do something nice. Something that he thinks might actually make this world a better place. And not only does he not get any support, but people specifically make an effort to shit on his idea.

[devlin1]

Let's see, so far you've assumed the following:

You forgot one:
That just tells me that you guys are really lame.
I am not lame! :cry:

[devlin1]

Just before I play any minis game I go kill a hobo with a hammer. Gets me in a good aggressive frame of mind.
I prefer a cricket bat, but yeah.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

Personally I think CZ is right. Several points coming.

Under-funded American schools. Helping these kids at a time like could only help us. And these schools are crazy under-funded. These kids would probably be whistling Dixie out of their assholes to go to our shiftiest school.

BoC you get taxed? Tough shit. So do we all. If you’re that worried about taxes remember that you can always write it off.


I seem to miss where this became the 'lets stuff words into people's mouth' thread.

I got an idea. Next time you think you understand my position, you might want to ask some questions first, because you obviously don't undestand my position.

Cheers!

[Jake]

OK then what was your point that justifies shitting on his intentions?

[BreakfastOfChampions]

OK then what was your point that justifies shitting on his intentions?

What's it to you? Besides, I didn't realize that intentions were so golden that people couldn't state opinions about them.

What makes you think this is such a golden idea, anyway? More accurately that its so golden that it doesn't deserve critique?

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be clicking that link that gives a free cup of dogfood to a homeless man.

[Jake]

What's it to you? Besides, I didn't realize that intentions were so golden that people couldn't state opinions about them.
Hey man, you’re the one that wanted me to understand your position.

What makes you think this is such a golden idea, anyway? More accurately that its so golden that it doesn't deserve critique?
Shit is really fucked up over there. All we seem to do is bitch about it, my self included. How do you think all the posting and bitching helped? This is something cheap and simple that we could do to make is a bit better over there. And it would help the next generation of Iraqis out there that have very little reason to like us right now. Will it make up for all the shit we’ve done? No. But that’s no reason not to try to make a small difference. And like I said, I think education is one of the most important parts on a society. I hardly think I need to make an argument for the benefits of education to this group. These are critical times in these kids’ lives and this simple act might make these times just a little less fucked up.

And finally it was just rude.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

[quote:2857b05c4d="BreakfastOfChampions"]What's it to you? Besides, I didn't realize that intentions were so golden that people couldn't state opinions about them.
Hey man, you’re the one that wanted me to understand your position.
[/quote:2857b05c4d]

Actually, I said you don't know fuck one about my position. I honestly don't care if you understand it.

What makes you think this is such a golden idea, anyway? More accurately that its so golden that it doesn't deserve critique?

Shit is really fucked up over there. All we seem to do is bitch about it, my self included.


Wrong. You might not do anything about it. That's your choice. Stop lumping me with inactive you.


Now just to get this sorry little thread on track, my big beef is with CZ making wildassed assumptions about our dissing his great idea. Whether its a good idea or not, where do you get off defending his wild assumptions when he obviously doesn't know?

[Neuro]

Several months ago, when my church was still a church, a request came from the higher-ups to collect supplies to send to children in some country. The request came on a day when we had just been told that the higher-ups weren't going to foot the bill for our pastor's paycheck for the last, oh, year or so. The congregation, a poor one, was at wit's end, trying to scrape up cash to pay the man the cared so much for who'd worked and worked for no compensation for a year and more. At the same time, they were still collecting for kids in our very own area, homeless kids who needed just the basics to survive.

And here was yet another request for funds and support we could not give.

Even people with the best of hearts and the best of intentions don't always have the resource to give and give and give. Resources are ultimately, regrettably finite.

That's the point at which people must prioritize. What can you do? What can you do as an individual and as a group? Our decision? Send the higher ups a note, "We'd like to help you, but here's what we're doing in our community. We have children in need here, too. We're doing all we can."

The discussion of how to use resource is an important one and everyone isn't always going to come to the same conclusion. At best we can hope that individuals come to a good conclusion, however different it may be.

[mordraine]

[quote:479d768d41="Jake"][quote:479d768d41="BreakfastOfChampions"]What's it to you? Besides, I didn't realize that intentions were so golden that people couldn't state opinions about them.
Hey man, you’re the one that wanted me to understand your position.
[/quote:479d768d41]

Actually, I said you don't know fuck one about my position. I honestly don't care if you understand it.[/quote:479d768d41]

I got an idea. Next time you think you understand my position, you might want to ask some questions first, because you obviously don't undestand my position.

The way I read that, it sounds like you're inviting him to ask about your position.

[devlin1]

Oh, snap!

[Jake]

Actually, I said you don't know fuck one about my position. I honestly don't care if you understand it.
Hateful BoC very hateful. I’m willing to bet you do care, or you wouldn’t have responded to any of my posts. Now I can only gather two possible points bout your initial post. Either you feel you get taxed too much and feel you give enough to the world, or you don’t like where your taxes are going to and you think that helping out these kids has something to do with that.
Wrong. You might not do anything about it. That's your choice. Stop lumping me with inactive you.
Look for the subtleties of the language. I said “seems”. To give a certain impression or have a certain outward aspect. I in no way implied that that was all we, or for that matter you, do to help. I just meant that with all the effort we give to discuss this world this idea might be something very simple that we can do to actually make a difference. No matter how small. And if you really do your part, that’s great. The more polite response would have been “Sorry CZ but I already do this and that”. Instead you said that his idea was dumb because of something to do with taxes.

And I’m sorry I lead any of you to believe I was supporting CZ’s accusations. I wasn’t. I only meant to say that your initial postings were lame and I could see why he got upset.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

Actually, I said you don't know fuck one about my position. I honestly don't care if you understand it.
Hateful BoC very hateful. I’m willing to bet you do care, or you wouldn’t have responded to any of my posts. Now I can only gather two possible points bout your initial post. Either you feel you get taxed too much and feel you give enough to the world, or you don’t like where your taxes are going to and you think that helping out these kids has something to do with that.
[/quote:a6466d5d05]
Wrong again, Sherlock.

[quote=BreakfastOfChampions]Wrong. You might not do anything about it. That's your choice. Stop lumping me with inactive you.
Look for the subtleties of the language. I said “seems”. To give a certain impression or have a certain outward aspect. I in no way implied that that was all we, or for that matter you, do to help. I just meant that with all the effort we give to discuss this world this idea might be something very simple that we can do to actually make a difference. No matter how small. And if you really do your part, that’s great. The more polite response would have been “Sorry CZ but I already do this and that”. Instead you said that his idea was dumb because of something to do with taxes.

Well, you gave the impression. That impression is wrong. Again. Try rereading my posts. And if you come away with the same idea, then its now officially your issue. Enjoy.


And I’m sorry I lead any of you to believe I was supporting CZ’s accusations. I wasn’t. I only meant to say that your initial postings were lame and I could see why he got upset.

Then *you* do something about it, but bitching because people think an idea is lame is pretty damn stupid. YMMV.

[Jake]

Well, you gave the impression. That impression is wrong. Again. Try rereading my posts. And if you come away with the same idea, then its now officially your issue. Enjoy.

At least I had the courtesy to try and clarify my remarks. And without resorting to such biting barbs as “Sherlock”.

[smartmonkey]

I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

[Gotetsu]

Jeez, I go to the sticks in New York for a week (I'll start a new thread in Spam about that), and you guys get all "Political Blah Blah" on me. :roll: Whatever happened to the "My character kicks your character's ass" threads? :D

My work gathered stuff to send to soldiers in Iraq. Stuff like toiletries, books, magazines, snack foods, etc... I thought THAT was a pretty cool idea. Having been in Desert Storm, I know I would have appreicated it. However, I also know that only REMFs will get what we send, but still. It was a noble idea.

But I have to agree. Pencils are not the answer. Iraq has a potentially powerful economy that can more than support the Iraqi people. If a couple of things happen. 1) those Fucktard Millitants stop chopping off heads, and realise that what we are trying to do is of benefit to their people, and not JUST a ploy to broaden our powerbase (notice the "JUST"), and 2) they need elect a stable government who can control the country and set up their economy. Will this be easy? No. Will this take time? Apparantly. Will sending pencils to them help. Not really, but it might make some people sleep better at night, so there's a positive.

I also agree that we need to be generous within our means and prioritize who gets our charity. Personally, I kind of want America to be a better place. We have spent the last 200 years helping out other countries (and I use the word "helping" loosely), and I think it's high time we put a little effort into helping our own.

[Wintermute]

My work gathered stuff to send to soldiers in Iraq. Stuff like toiletries, books, magazines, snack foods, etc... I thought THAT was a pretty cool idea. Having been in Desert Storm, I know I would have appreicated it. However, I also know that only REMFs will get what we send, but still. It was a noble idea.


We did the same, and donated quite a bit of stuff (as organized by one of my co-worker's husbands). When he got back from Iraq, he presented us with an American Flag, which I thought was pretty cool.

[Skyman]

CZ,
No, at this time but thanx for asking.

Jake,
Nice Avatar. That was 15 minutes of pure gaze joy. I thought he was asking too, BTW.

Mordraine,
Nice call with the move to debate. I didn't think it would go this way till the flame fest.

Ubi caritas et amor....

[Lowly Uhlan]

Whatever happened to the "My character kicks your character's ass" threads? :D


They don't exist any more. :roll: :x

[opwunder]

Count Zero,

All I can say is that the only ignorance I've seen on this page was doled out buy Count Zero...You accuse without fact or basis, shame on you...perhaps we should just assume that the second part of name sums up how much time you spent actually reading what people said and listening to it instead of having a baby fit because no one wants to play with you.

To the rest on this site, I appologise for my tone, but my wife (a teacher of special education) and I have done more during our lives to help this world then sit in a corner and cry and sling baseless accusations when no one likes our ideas.

You want to send pencils to Iraq, no one here said you couldn't. Just because some of us don't wish to join you is no justification for your tasteless attack.

Aw, fuck it, what's the point

[devlin1]

[quote:ba52dd085b="Gotetsu"]
Whatever happened to the "My character kicks your character's ass" threads? :D


They don't exist any more. :roll: :x[/quote:ba52dd085b]
xx

[Lowly Uhlan]

xx

xxxxxx

xx

x

:D

[smartmonkey]

Oh, dude, who the hell scared devlin off? He's gonna have to spend the next six hours tracking down every single post he made, and replacing them with a xx.

Bastards!

[Lowly Uhlan]

He was upset that no one would playtest his great new game that he made himself :D

[smartmonkey]

Really? I didn't know he designed HYBRID.

So much is explained, now...

[Count Zero]

I will admit part of the point of that 3rd post was to get you fired up. This isn't about someone disagreeing with my point of view. This is about being a decent human being.

But the fact of the matter is, what each of you did was rude. If you didn't want to participate, that's fine. Don't respond. Your responses were rude. They were unnecessary comments. You could have just let the crickets chirp on this one, but you felt the need to denegrate the idea with your posts.

Whether or not these are baseless accusations, is a silly arguement. So I am not going to waste my time. Those comments were there to hit on what everyone have been on tirades about on this board. It was to hit nerves. And it worked. But all of you clearly missed the point.

The question was: Do you really care and are you willing make the effort to change things? I upset the balance. I forced you to actually look at what you have done, and maybe some of you didn't like what you saw.

We rant every day about the situation in Iraq. No potable water? That's almost criminal, but is that something you or I can really do anything about? Not really. We can push our government a little to work harder, but we really can't make a difference on that subject.

Sure sending school supplies to kids in Iraq isn't going to change the situation there that much. But that isn't why I am doing it. This is truely alturistic act. It actually improves someone's life. It is something we can effect. This makes another human being's life better. You can't argue whether or not it is good thing to do. There is no arguement.

Will it really change things that much. No. But, it will improve someone's life. One person can rarely change the world, but they can make a dent, and that's something. A butterfly flapping its wings won't create a hurricane, but 230 million butterflies might. It is the collective action of individuals that changes the world for the better. Did Martin Luther King Jr. solely earn civil rights for blacks across the country? Not truely, he was just one butterfly. It was really the millions of people who stood up and said no more. That's when we got the hurricane.

We can pound on these keyboards and scream and rant all we want. But, does it really do anything? No. It doesn't change a thing. It just makes us feel like we are. It's an opiate that makes us feel important. It makes us feel like we are keeping the faith. But faith is meaningless without works.

Now, I am going to do this. The more people that want to participate the better. But if you don't want to participate, then that's fine. Don't participate, that is your choice. If you aren't going to participate then be quite, because all you are doing is slowing down the process.

I'm going to help someone in a tangible way. You can either help, or get out of the way.

Don't want to do this and want to help your local community instead? Awesome. Do it. Don't talk about doing it. DO IT! Don't buy that $100.00 World Largest Dungeon that you don't really need. Instead go to a local school and buy some kids or a classroom $100 in school supplies. I am sure they could use it. Give the $25 you would spend on the next unnecessarry D&D D20 book to the local homeless shelter. Take the $49.95 you spend on an X-Box game and give it to your church so they can help people. The key is, do something and stop talking about.

Jonathan

[devlin1]

D20 sux!!!!

[Gotetsu]

D20 sux!!!!

"Thou shalt have no other RPG systems before me! For I am a jealous and wrathful system, and thou shalt suffer a -30 penalty to all of your saves." -The D20 Bible.

Seriously, CZ, your intentions are noble, and I applaud you. But, and I can say this beacuse I think I have done it more than you, you really need to watch the tone and attitude of your words. People on these boards are very sensitive (you included), so "stirring things up" will often do more harm then good.

Just my $.02. :D

[BreakfastOfChampions]

D20 sux!!!!


D20 R00lz! D6 Dr00lz!

[Lowly Uhlan]

Don't want to do this and want to help your local community instead? Awesome. Do it. Don't talk about doing it. DO IT! Don't buy that $100.00 World Largest Dungeon that you don't really need. Instead go to a local school and buy some kids or a classroom $100 in school supplies. I am sure they could use it. Give the $25 you would spend on the next unnecessarry D&D D20 book to the local homeless shelter. Take the $49.95 you spend on an X-Box game and give it to your church so they can help people. The key is, do something and stop talking about.

Jonathan

So how much money have you donated?

[Skyman]

Doesn't Chaos theory suggest that one butterfly can create a hurricane through a chain of circumstantial events...something to do with nonlinear mathematics...sorry made a loose association on that one?

Oddly, If folks have bought the d20 D&D book and feel guilty for not giving the money to a homeless shelter because they read CZ'z post just now. I do know of a homeless program that is looking for the core D&D d20 books. :roll:

My answer is still 'no' to the question of this forum.

I think I like Neuro's response very much among the bitterness I've read in all these posts for this topic. It's nice to read something that is not so mean and negative. Too much of that going on in the world.

[smartmonkey]

Don't want to do this and want to help your local community instead? Awesome. Do it. Don't talk about doing it. DO IT! Don't buy that $100.00 World Largest Dungeon that you don't really need. Instead go to a local school and buy some kids or a classroom $100 in school supplies. I am sure they could use it. Give the $25 you would spend on the next unnecessarry D&D D20 book to the local homeless shelter. Take the $49.95 you spend on an X-Box game and give it to your church so they can help people. The key is, do something and stop talking about.


Right. I'm going to bastard mode now. I'm a 21 year old student living at home. I can't even -approach- the rent here in San Diego with any of the jobs I've held. I pay my own tuition. I pay for my truck and it's insurance. I buy textbooks. I buy gas for 2.40 a fucking gallon. I'm lucky if I see a movie every two or three weeks. Forget about taking someone out to dinner. Don't tell me to donate money. I'll do that when I'm 30, and making enough cash that 50 bucks isn't the diffrence between making all my bills, and trashing my credit rating. Forget about saving anything for the future. I'd be without medical insurance if my parents plan didn't extend to me. Doing something is for the future. Getting my degree and not getting killed is the now.

Like LU has said, if it's that important, donate it yourself. Don't ask me. If I volunteer, I volunteer, but til then, count me the fuck out.

[Count Zero]

[quote:54d05fe6f5="Count Zero"]

Don't want to do this and want to help your local community instead? Awesome. Do it. Don't talk about doing it. DO IT! Don't buy that $100.00 World Largest Dungeon that you don't really need. Instead go to a local school and buy some kids or a classroom $100 in school supplies. I am sure they could use it. Give the $25 you would spend on the next unnecessarry D&D D20 book to the local homeless shelter. Take the $49.95 you spend on an X-Box game and give it to your church so they can help people. The key is, do something and stop talking about.

Jonathan

So how much money have you donated?[/quote:54d05fe6f5]

$50 to elect Kerry. But tht doesn't really count :)

Unless you count my willingness to hand a homeless guy a few dollars or buy them a few burritos when I see them.

I just got the bug up my ass to start doing stuff. Giving a guy a few dollars wasn't enough. It doesn't really change anything.

The frustrating thing about trying to do this thing, is the address to send the stuff to the soldier was up one day and then gone the next. I have contacted Michael Moore about the address. I figure if I get no response I will contact the Army and ask them about it, because I figure they can put me in contact with the guy on a subject like this.

If all else fails I am going to adopt a classroom at one of the local schools. I want to improve people's lives and if I can't do it through my job, then I will to it other ways.

Jonathan

[Count Zero]

Right. I'm going to bastard mode now. I'm a 21 year old student living at home. I can't even -approach- the rent here in San Diego with any of the jobs I've held. I pay my own tuition. I pay for my truck and it's insurance. I buy textbooks. I buy gas for 2.40 a fucking gallon. I'm lucky if I see a movie every two or three weeks. Forget about taking someone out to dinner. Don't tell me to donate money. I'll do that when I'm 30, and making enough cash that 50 bucks isn't the diffrence between making all my bills, and trashing my credit rating. Forget about saving anything for the future. I'd be without medical insurance if my parents plan didn't extend to me. Doing something is for the future. Getting my degree and not getting killed is the now.

Like LU has said, if it's that important, donate it yourself. Don't ask me. If I volunteer, I volunteer, but til then, count me the fuck out.

Donating time is just as good. You give what you can. If all you can give is your time then that is good. I am making enough cash now to donate money.

Jonathan

[Count Zero]

Doesn't Chaos theory suggest that one butterfly can create a hurricane through a chain of circumstantial events...something to do with nonlinear mathematics...sorry made a loose association on that one?


Actually yeah, but the imagery, worked so I used it.


Oddly, If folks have bought the d20 D&D book and feel guilty for not giving the money to a homeless shelter because they read CZ'z post just now. I do know of a homeless program that is looking for the core D&D d20 books. :roll:

Really? Interesting. Let me know where.. they can have all of mine. Let me know how I can get them too you if that would be easier. Hell... could even buy them a few if need be.

Jonathan

[Skyman]

SM take care of yourself. It would be unwise to stretch yourself thin like butter on toast to be giving when you need to be taking care of yourself. Think of it like an investment.

Wow, CZ got CZ to guilt himself. I'll PM you info.

[Kuld]

Smartmonkey hang in there man. Finish college. I am almost 30 and am still going to school with two mouths to feed. well, three counting myself. :) My wife doesn't work and I have a full time and a part time job (every other week) and am still in the naval reserves. I make alright money but we still live paycheck to paycheck. I keep thinking, if we were to move back east, and I could keep my income, then we could buy some property, a nice sized house and still have money to F around with. Right now we are sweating rent on a 800 sqft 2 bed 1 bath "beautiful cottage". It's a converted garage! Here's a good equation:
FTJ+PTJ+USNR=U-ain't eatin' a steak this weekend :wink:
Any way, life is good, y'all hang in there now
-Mark

[Wintermute]

Right now we are sweating rent on a 800 sqft 2 bed 1 bath "beautiful cottage". It's a converted garage!

You know, if left to my own devices I think I might just live in my garage. :)

[smartmonkey]

You know, if left to my own devices I think I might just live in my garage.

Honestly, I'd be quite happy living in the room above someones garage. Room for books, bed, TV/gaming system, and my computer, and a mini fridge. I'd need a balcony to smoke on, but thats -all- I really want or need. Of course a big house would be damn cool, but I'd end up only using two or three rooms...

[Count Zero]

You know, if left to my own devices I think I might just live in my garage.

Honestly, I'd be quite happy living in the room above someones garage. Room for books, bed, TV/gaming system, and my computer, and a mini fridge. I'd need a balcony to smoke on, but thats -all- I really want or need. Of course a big house would be damn cool, but I'd end up only using two or three rooms...

Hey, if it is ever the difference between you not buying groceries or paying your other bills, let me know. I remember what it was like to struggle through college and be short on cash. I would be more than happy to help you out if need be.

Jonathan

[Neuro]

[quote:5baad01468="Kuld"] Right now we are sweating rent on a 800 sqft 2 bed 1 bath "beautiful cottage". It's a converted garage!

You know, if left to my own devices I think I might just live in my garage. :)[/quote:5baad01468]

Fortunately, you have me. Sooner or later you do have to bathe, eat, and sleep. The toys in the garage will still be there when you've done those things.

[Lowly Uhlan]

Unless you count my willingness to hand a homeless guy a few dollars or buy them a few burritos when I see them.

I just got the bug up my ass to start doing stuff. Giving a guy a few dollars wasn't enough. It doesn't really change anything.


Jonathan

Something did change though. Specifically how drunk the homeless guys get when you give them money. If it wasn't for naive people, the bums would be sober all of the time.

[mordraine]

Something did change though. Specifically how drunk the homeless guys get when you give them money. If it wasn't for naive people, the bums would be sober all of the time.

Which assumes that all homeless people are drunks. I don't happen to subscribe to that notion.

[Lowly Uhlan]

[quote:ae9483f898="Lowly Uhlan"]Something did change though. Specifically how drunk the homeless guys get when you give them money. If it wasn't for naive people, the bums would be sober all of the time.

Which assumes that all homeless people are drunks. I don't happen to subscribe to that notion.[/quote:ae9483f898]

No, but all of them that panhadle are.

[Skyman]

[quote:21e5e00dec="mordraine"][quote:21e5e00dec="Lowly Uhlan"]Something did change though. Specifically how drunk the homeless guys get when you give them money. If it wasn't for naive people, the bums would be sober all of the time.

Which assumes that all homeless people are drunks. I don't happen to subscribe to that notion.[/quote:21e5e00dec]

No, but all of them that panhadle are.[/quote:21e5e00dec]

I do not subscribe to the all statement....

[Skyman]

BTW, Thanks folks... :wink:

[Count Zero]

[quote:1c738e8169="Lowly Uhlan"][quote:1c738e8169="mordraine"][quote:1c738e8169="Lowly Uhlan"]Something did change though. Specifically how drunk the homeless guys get when you give them money. If it wasn't for naive people, the bums would be sober all of the time.

Which assumes that all homeless people are drunks. I don't happen to subscribe to that notion.[/quote:1c738e8169]

No, but all of them that panhadle are.[/quote:1c738e8169]

I do not subscribe to the all statement....[/quote:1c738e8169]

I don't buy it either. 80% of the homeless are mentally ill or have been sexually or mentally abused. They aren't necessarily addicts or drunks.

And, to be honest.. I am more likely to buy them some food and something to drink than I am to give them money. I was go buying them a sandwich, nice big bottle of water and some fruit when they would ask me for money. But that really doesn't fix the problem.

The problem is really easy to fix, but instead we talk about not funding the welfare state. We could make these people productive members of society if we could get them health care of some form. And, I have to say, not wanting to particpate in society and smell like pee is a mental illness in my book. :P

Jonathan

P.S. Sorry if I stir things up sometimes. I try to watch that. Sometimes things really get my goat. I will try to be a bit better about that.

Besides... being you your guys better sides means I will have more opportunities to game. :P

[Wintermute]

P.S. Sorry if I stir things up sometimes. I try to watch that. Sometimes things really get my goat. I will try to be a bit better about that.


Don't sweat it, that's what the debate forum is here for, and I enjoy reading everybody's take on things.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

Its amazing how sometimes we mistake saying stupid shit as thought provoking commentary.

[Count Zero]

Its amazing how sometimes we mistake saying stupid shit as thought provoking commentary.

I am going to assume that was directed at me.

Now the first thing I agressive response was just that... poorly executed and not well thought out. The second one was the response the first one should have been.

I still think you were being unecessarily rude.

I was apologizing for reacting in such a way that made the general conversation generally unpleasent.

Jonathan

[BreakfastOfChampions]

You can assume whatever you like, I won't stop you from making all sorts of uninformed judgements about me, or anyone else on these boards.

But you should really consider sometimes taking your pudgy fingers away from the keyboard and chilling.

Who knows, by shutting up, you just might make the world the better place you're looking for.

[Lowly Uhlan]

This thread is OFF THE HOOK

[Lowly Uhlan]

(semi-related topic)

Hey Winter, will we ever have an ignore list function?

[Gotetsu]

I don't know if I like that idea. Then no one would talk to me. :cry:

[BreakfastOfChampions]

(semi-related topic)

Hey Winter, will we ever have an ignore list function?

What, don't you want to know when people's medication is out of wack?

[Gotetsu]

:lolup:

[Neuro]

I don't think we need a function to help people ignore people.

If you don't like what someone has to say, ignore it. If you think they need to be checked, speak up.

I expect the rpg related threads to REMAIN rpg related. They're the primary focus of the site and why we're really here.

If things get heated in debate, that's more or less okay. We are, in fact, debating.

That said, as Mordraine would say, personal attacks really aren't acceptable. Beyond that, please carry on arguing. If you can't stand the noise of argument, don't read debate. Some weeks I don't. If it gets on your nerves, I highly recommend a little break from it. Maybe post some neat stuff in the rpg forums and steer conversation and attention towards there. It's the best way I can think of for people to help create a productive, good environment here.

[Gotetsu]

And take your medication regularly. :D

[Count Zero]

You can assume whatever you like, I won't stop you from making all sorts of uninformed judgements about me, or anyone else on these boards.

But you should really consider sometimes taking your pudgy fingers away from the keyboard and chilling.

Who knows, by shutting up, you just might make the world the better place you're looking for.

I was going to respond with something mean or rude.. but I'll pass.

If that the previous statement above wasn't about me then I am sorry.

Good luck in things.

Jonathan

[mordraine]

What Neuro's eluding to (and thanks for the butt-kick, Neuro) are comments like these:

But you should really consider sometimes taking your pudgy fingers away from the keyboard and chilling.

Its amazing how sometimes we mistake saying stupid shit as thought provoking commentary.

What, don't you want to know when people's medication is out of wack?

These are perilously close to personal attacks, if not actual out-and-out attacks. I think, BoC, that you can be very eloquent in your arguments, but you can also get insulting pretty quickly. Was CZ out of line? Was he holier-than-thou? You can certainly tell him that. But eluding to his weight, or that he has to take medication... That's personal.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

What Neuro's eluding to (and thanks for the butt-kick, Neuro) are comments like these:

[quote]But you should really consider sometimes taking your pudgy fingers away from the keyboard and chilling.

Its amazing how sometimes we mistake saying stupid shit as thought provoking commentary.

What, don't you want to know when people's medication is out of wack?

These are perilously close to personal attacks, if not actual out-and-out attacks. I think, BoC, that you can be very eloquent in your arguments, but you can also get insulting pretty quickly. Was CZ out of line? Was he holier-than-thou? You can certainly tell him that. But eluding to his weight, or that he has to take medication... That's personal.[/quote:c60ef99459]

Besides the pudgy fingers comment, was any of that personal? I mean, did I mention any names?

Nope, didn't. But hey, if it grooves you to blame me, go for it. As to the point about saying stupid shit and thinking that's through provoking, well, that's a truism, not a pointed attack.

So's the medication comment, since I don't know if Zero is on medication or not.

Besides, pudgy isn't a bad thing. Now if I'd have told him to get his fat fingers off the keyboard and go get some exercise, that would have been rude.

[mordraine]

Besides the pudgy fingers comment, was any of that personal? I mean, did I mention any names? Nope, didn't. But hey, if it grooves you to blame me, go for it.

Besides, pudgy isn't a bad thing. Now if I'd have told him to get his fat fingers off the keyboard and go get some exercise, that would have been rude.

Blame you for what? I'm not blaming you for anything. CZ knows he was out of line with his original posts. Whatever you think of him, keep it private. That's all I'm saying.

And whether you actually mean it to be personal or not, there's a context. You're smart enough to know that.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

[quote:d5354bd61b="BreakfastOfChampions"]Besides the pudgy fingers comment, was any of that personal? I mean, did I mention any names? Nope, didn't. But hey, if it grooves you to blame me, go for it.

Besides, pudgy isn't a bad thing. Now if I'd have told him to get his fat fingers off the keyboard and go get some exercise, that would have been rude.

Blame you for what? I'm not blaming you for anything. CZ knows he was out of line with his original posts. Whatever you think of him, keep it private. That's all I'm saying.

And whether you actually mean it to be personal or not, there's a context. You're smart enough to know that.[/quote:d5354bd61b]

Fair enough, but I can't control the order of posts. If someone posts something that's totally wacked, and I make some off hand comment, I'm getting heat I don't have coming.

You know, fitting shoes and all.

Next you're gonna blame me for Dick Cheney or something ;)

[mordraine]

Next you're gonna blame me for Dick Cheney or something ;)

Dick Cheney is hellspawn. You can't be blamed for that!

[BreakfastOfChampions]

[quote:d0f00d5b05="BreakfastOfChampions"]Next you're gonna blame me for Dick Cheney or something ;)

Dick Cheney is hellspawn. You can't be blamed for that![/quote:d0f00d5b05]

Well, there is context. I mentioned Dick Cheney. See! I did it again. Remember Candyman? You stood in front of the Mirror and said Candyman 3 times...? Man, that's an old movie.

[Gotetsu]

John Kerry...John Kerry...John Kerry.

Holy shit! He got elected!! :shock:

[BreakfastOfChampions]

John Kerry...John Kerry...John Kerry.

Holy shit! He got elected!! :shock:

Wouldn't that be nice? I mean, all those pundits just sitting around talking to their mirrors, trying to make their boy come out on top?

Keep them off TV.

[Gotetsu]

Keep them off TV.

That's a prospect that could swing me.

(Ain't it funny how whenever mom or dad show up and scold us, the thread just turns into a bunch of bad jokes and then dies?)

[BreakfastOfChampions]

[quote:22ee4b98a7="BreakfastOfChampions"]Keep them off TV.

That's a prospect that could swing me.

(Ain't it funny how whenever mom or dad show up and scold us, the thread just turns into a bunch of bad jokes and then dies?)[/quote:22ee4b98a7]

That's because Cthulhu is a lie.

Actually, I had something much funnier than this ready. Something about realizing I had to help my fellow man while watching some lapdancer grind against me, and how none of you were real heroes.

But then I decided not to. Aren't you glad?

[Neuro]

Hey, I'm currently trying to help humanity by looking for ways to piss off people in Encinitas by encouraging lap dances, so say whatcha gotta.

(We just got a bikini bar. You have never seen so many people so upset over a bikini bar, I promise. They had their KIDS on the street with them shouting 'Do you want your daughter to work here?'. Um, why do your kids know what goes on in a bikini bar?)


So I went to a bikini bar. It wasn't scary and the drinks were pretty stiff.

[Gotetsu]

That's because Cthulhu is a lie.

Actually, I had something much funnier than this ready. Something about realizing I had to help my fellow man while watching some lapdancer grind against me, and how none of you were real heroes.

But then I decided not to. Aren't you glad?

I for one am. That could really offend someone. :shock:

Cthulhu is NOT a lie. I played M&M with him just the other day. He is alive and well.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

Hey, I'm currently trying to help humanity by looking for ways to piss off people in Encinitas by encouraging lap dances, so say whatcha gotta.

(We just got a bikini bar. You have never seen so many people so upset over a bikini bar, I promise. They had their KIDS on the street with them shouting 'Do you want your daughter to work here?'. Um, why do your kids know what goes on in a bikini bar?)


So I went to a bikini bar. It wasn't scary and the drinks were pretty stiff.

Did you tell them, "Hey, *I* want your daughter to work there!"

Though you know, Liberatarians are the ones who are for the legalization of drugs and prostitution, but don't want their daughters blowing bums for crack ;)

Hmmm I declare that you are all not helping enough. I have realized that children in Darfur need food. I'm am collecting twinkies and snack cakes to send to war. Please, I'm only accepting nutritious Hostess twinkies, as these poor children deserve the very best.

[Neuro]

Twinkies have lots of preservatives. That way the bodies last longer for us to dig them up in mass graves.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

Twinkies have lots of preservatives. That way the bodies last longer for us to dig them up in mass graves.

Silly you. Darfur is a lie. See how sneaky Saddam was? He didnt' allow twinkies into the country, so when he made his mass graves, the bodies disintigrated. That's why we haven't found hundreds of thousnds of bodies!

[cczernia]

[quote:5413a3f3aa="Neuro"]Twinkies have lots of preservatives. That way the bodies last longer for us to dig them up in mass graves.

Silly you. Darfur is a lie. See how sneaky Saddam was? He didnt' allow twinkies into the country, so when he made his mass graves, the bodies disintigrated. That's why we haven't found hundreds of thousnds of bodies![/quote:5413a3f3aa]

Wow, no twinkies or wmd.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

[quote:7c25d52b01="BreakfastOfChampions"][quote:7c25d52b01="Neuro"]Twinkies have lots of preservatives. That way the bodies last longer for us to dig them up in mass graves.

Silly you. Darfur is a lie. See how sneaky Saddam was? He didnt' allow twinkies into the country, so when he made his mass graves, the bodies disintigrated. That's why we haven't found hundreds of thousnds of bodies![/quote:7c25d52b01]

Wow, no twinkies or wmd.[/quote:7c25d52b01]

Its how he smuggled the wmd to Iran. Iraqi weapons are in Iranian WMD!

[Gotetsu]

:sly:




:worthles:

[Count Zero]

I realized all I am doing is ruining your guys time and eating the bandwidth with my pudgy mouth.

I am sure that almost any post I make is outright ignored as a whole, so I will stop spending the time to do so. I am not involved in any of the games nor would I be invited, because of how I have responded to things. It is pointless for me to even read this board.

I am going to make your lives easier and happier by not posting or reading here. Sorry about all this. Sorry to be a pain in the ass. This board will be much better without my presence. I should have done this far to long ago, but I just didn't want to see it. Sorry.

Good luck to all of you. I wish you the best.

Jonathan

P.S. If any of you still want to stay in contact with me for some reason, my e-mail address is jonbreese@cox.net

[Shin Kenshiro]

Think he'll be back? I always liked CZ, even if me and him used to argue alot when I still lived in SD

[Wintermute]

Think he'll be back? I always liked CZ, even if me and him used to argue alot when I still lived in SD

I hope so, but ultimately to each their own. I try not to encourage people to take a course of action they won't enjoy, especially when it's entirely recreational.

[devlin1]

Think he'll be back? I always liked CZ, even if me and him used to argue alot when I still lived in SD
I dunno. I think he's gone for good. He's been gone for nearly four hours now.

[Skyman]

[quote:796f408614="Shin Kenshiro"]Think he'll be back? I always liked CZ, even if me and him used to argue alot when I still lived in SD

I hope so, but ultimately to each their own. I try not to encourage people to take a course of action they won't enjoy, especially when it's entirely recreational.[/quote:796f408614]

True. Too bad.

[smartmonkey]

Dude. Y'all managed to scare off CZ. First it's soop, then MtA, then CZ... who's next on the hit list? ;-)

Silly you. Darfur is a lie. See how sneaky Saddam was? He didnt' allow twinkies into the country, so when he made his mass graves, the bodies disintigrated. That's why we haven't found hundreds of thousnds of bodies!

Why does this sound like something you'd find in Unknown Armies?

[Skyman]

Dude. Y'all managed to scare off CZ. First it's soop, then MtA, then CZ... who's next on the hit list? ;-)



Don't forget Gotetsu...but then he came back after he posted something similiar and trolled our boards as Gonadfan? Not that I'm trying to equate CZ=Gotetsu in any way. Even with their penchant to have goatees. So pardon Gotetsu and CZ

[Gotetsu]

Yes, sadly it's true. I once sought to leave these forums. But just when I thought I was out, they brought me back in!

Ah, well. I learned my lesson (for the most part). Now I just have occasional spikes of assholeness, instead of the steady stream I used to have. :D

I think he'll be back someday. There's too many good people and too much fun on these forums to stay away for long.

[BreakfastOfChampions]

xx

[Lowly Uhlan]

Don't forget Gotetsu...but then he came back after he posted something similiar and trolled our boards as Gonadfan?

I thought he was ConanFanatic. Nice user name, anyway. :wink:

[Skyman]

[quote:9c6c6b34b0="Skyman"]

Don't forget Gotetsu...but then he came back after he posted something similiar and trolled our boards as Gonadfan?

I thought he was ConanFanatic. Nice user name, anyway. :wink:[/quote:9c6c6b34b0]

My bad :oops: