[Geek] Question about The Empire Strikes Back

[devlin1]

Warning: You should probably stop reading now.

So I'm watching Empire again (apparently Cinemax is taking a break from soft porn to show all six movies in a row repeatedly this weekend), and for the first time it occurred to me that after Luke cuts off the wampa's arm... I mean, why leave the cave? It seems like a pre-Jedi with a lightsaber and a rudimentary command of the Force is more than a match for a one-armed wampa. I guess can accept the John Huston Defense here -- that unless Luke leaves the cave, he can't have the near-death vision of Obi-Wan and be saved by Han -- but suddenly, after I don't know how many years of watching this movie, it strikes me as odd.

[jimmy corrigan]

cinemax has soft core porn?


hey, count zero. hook a brother up.

[mordraine]

Ah devlin... always the copy editor. Proper noun indeed...

But about your question, maybe he left because he wanted to get back to the base pronto, and warn everyone about the empire drone-probe.

[devlin1]

[quote="mordraine"]But about your question, maybe he left because he wanted to get back to the base pronto, and warn everyone about the empire drone-probe.[/quote]
Meh. He's no dummy. He'd know he couldn't survive on the planet surface without shelter, and there's no getting anywhere in a hurry without a tauntaun or other means of transportation. Besides, he never got to see the probe droid -- he was attacked right after he radioed Han about seeing a "meteorite."



I guess he could've run for the same reason that all those Stormtroopers in the Death Star run away from Han in Star Wars -- i.e., no damn good reason.

[J@ke]

Two things. He's not a full Jedi at this point, so not only does that mean rudimentary command of the force but also rudimentary command of his emotions, one in the same really. So he was scared shitless. The other thing is that he was really weakened. He just got his ass knocked out my a fricking wampa and left in an ice cave hung up side down my his leg. He was barely strong enough to pull his lightsaber out of the snow.

[Sven]

ok this will mark me for the geek hall of shame...

Here's my 2-cents:
Luke surprised the hell out of the Wampa with the lightsaber. I mean imagine it, you go to your freezer to get a TV dinner and a Tyson (tm) tv dinner shoots you with a .44 magnum. The real advantage that Luke had was surprise. A wampa is probably like a grizzly bear when hurt; really dangerous so after it runs off it's going to rember rage... sweet berzerker rage. So when the Wampa comes back it's not "well commercial break time to get me a human popsicle..." it's "RAGE...BLOOD PAIN...CHAAAAAARGE!!!!!" even one-armed that thing weighs in at what? lets say 500lbs or more thats a lot of momentum, let's consider how fast a TaunTaun runs and a wampa preys on them.

Here it is broken down:
We have Luke fucked up and woozy, barely able to swing a lightsaber, much less swing a lightsaber and dodge out the way of a charging, pissed-off Wampa. Even with a killing stroke the Wampa is quite likely to take out the target of said berserker charge. (Try standing in front of a charging grizzly, even wounded, with a glorified pigsticker and see how far that gets you). I'll take my chances with the blizzard, thank you very much.

[devlin1]

[quote="Sven"]ok this will mark me for the geek hall of shame...[/quote]
Geeks don't have Halls of Shame. Only Fame. The shame is assigned by an external agency (i.e., the rest of the world). Your mere presence here is incongruous with feelings of shame over your familiarity with Star Wars, especially any strong feelings you might have regarding whether Han shot first.

[Skyman]

[quote="Sven"]ok this will mark me for the geek hall of shame...



Here's my 2-cents:

Luke surprised the hell out of the Wampa with the lightsaber. I mean imagine it, you go to your freezer to get a TV dinner and a Tyson (tm) tv dinner shoots you with a .44 magnum. The real advantage that Luke had was surprise. A wampa is probably like a grizzly bear when hurt; really dangerous so after it runs off it's going to rember rage... sweet berzerker rage. So when the Wampa comes back it's not "well commercial break time to get me a human popsicle..." it's "RAGE...BLOOD PAIN...CHAAAAAARGE!!!!!" even one-armed that thing weighs in at what? lets say 500lbs or more thats a lot of momentum, let's consider how fast a TaunTaun runs and a wampa preys on them.



Here it is broken down:

We have Luke fucked up and woozy, barely able to swing a lightsaber, much less swing a lightsaber and dodge out the way of a charging, pissed-off Wampa. Even with a killing stroke the Wampa is quite likely to take out the target of said berserker charge. (Try standing in front of a charging grizzly, even wounded, with a glorified pigsticker and see how far that gets you). I'll take my chances with the blizzard, thank you very much.[/quote]



:lolup:





I also get the suggestion he's delirious at that point. So he could have run naked thru the snow and it would have made sense.



Really Count Zero hook us up with the soft porn:cheers:

[Count Zero]

[quote="Skyman"]Really Count Zero hook us up with the soft porn:cheers:[/quote]

Why waste time with soft core porn, I get hard core porn on Pay-Per-View.. the only thing you don't see is the cum scene. But, if you like I can record some on the DVR for you to watch before the Monday night game. Skyman.. you can come over too. :razz:

[Shin Kenshiro]

[quote="Count Zero"]Why waste time with soft core porn, I get hard core porn on Pay-Per-View.. the only thing you don't see is the cum scene. But, if you like I can record some on the DVR for you to watch before the Monday night game. Skyman.. you can come over too. :razz:[/quote]



You have the Internet and you pay for porn?

[Count Zero]

[quote="Shin Kenshiro"]You have the Internet and you pay for porn?[/quote]


I work for a cable company. I get my cable for free.



As, to the PPV porn... it is like 3 bucks for 6 hours.

[Wintermute]

[quote="Count Zero"]As, to the PPV porn... it is like 3 bucks for 6 hours.[/quote]

They don't include that with the free cable? Time to strike!!

[Count Zero]

[quote="Wintermute"]They don't include that with the free cable? Time to strike!![/quote]


That's what I keep telling my co-workers... but they won't listen. :biggrin:

[Neuro]

[quote="Wintermute"]Time to strike!![/quote]

...back?

[Vid Avehn]

I just find it humorous that after all these years that is what strikes you as odd in that movie.

For me, it's the whole Leia-kisses-her-brother thing. Yeah, sure, I know, they didn't know they were related, but Lucas did.

Perverted bastard.

[devlin1]

[quote="Vid Avehn"]I just find it humorous that after all these years [i]that[/i] is what strikes you as odd in that movie.



For me, it's the whole Leia-kisses-her-brother thing. Yeah, sure, I know, they didn't know they were related, but Lucas did.



Perverted bastard.[/quote]
I found it humorous, too, which is why I posted it here. I'd never even thought about it before. I guess I have to accept the panic defense.

[Skyman]

Well there could have been more beasties lurking about too...not that there was...nut there could have been:)


BTW Here is some queen...which has nothing to do with this thread

[Gotetsu]

[quote="Vid Avehn"]I just find it humorous that after all these years [i]that[/i] is what strikes you as odd in that movie.



For me, it's the whole Leia-kisses-her-brother thing. Yeah, sure, I know, they didn't know they were related, but Lucas did.



Perverted bastard.[/quote]

Have you not seen the documentary "George Lucas In Love"? It explains the origins of that, and how it affected him. He was just sharing his own inner turmoil and pain, just as all artists do.

[Vid Avehn]

Can't say that I have, though it makes it only a smidge less disturbing. Granted, all artists share their inner turmoil and pain, but it was still creepy.

[Count Zero]

[quote="Skyman"]BTW Here is some [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pHsZqqZ2XE]queen[/url]...which has nothing to do with this thread[/quote]


Ah, boredom and free use of a helicopter.



So the Royal Navy does a Queen video. I really doubt the US Navy would do Queen.

[Skyman]

[quote="Vid Avehn"]Can't say that I have, though it makes it only a smidge less disturbing. Granted, all artists share their inner turmoil and pain, but it was still creepy.[/quote]
Gotetsu was making a joke in reference to this [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhpG17WH0Ek]vid[/url]

it's still creepy


[quote="Count Zero"]Ah, boredom and free use of a helicopter.



So the Royal Navy does a Queen video. I really doubt the US Navy would do Queen.[/quote]
Your right It would be Metallica...j/k

[Gotetsu]

[quote="Count Zero"]Ah, boredom and free use of a helicopter.



So the Royal Navy does a Queen video. I really doubt the US Navy would do Queen.[/quote]

No, they did the [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tftvkxBQdr8]Village People[/url].

[Skyman]

[devlin1]

[quote="Vid Avehn"]Can't say that I have, though it makes it only a smidge less disturbing. Granted, all artists share their inner turmoil and pain, but it was still creepy.[/quote]
Don't listen to Gotetsu on this one, Vid. He's shitting in your mouth and calling it a sundae.

[Gotetsu]

[quote="devlin1"]Don't listen to Gotetsu on this one, Vid. He's shitting in your mouth and calling it a sundae.[/quote]

Drat. Foiled again. :nono:

[devlin1]

[quote="Gotetsu"]Drat. Foiled again. :nono:[/quote]
That's all it takes to pull off a foiling these days? Sheesh.

[Gotetsu]

[quote="devlin1"]That's all it takes to pull off a foiling these days? Sheesh.[/quote]

We are a litigious society. It's made truly evil villains gun shy.

[Count Zero]

[quote="Gotetsu"]No, they did the [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tftvkxBQdr8]Village People[/url].[/quote]


Damn.. you go to my hopes up... I wanted to see some admiral dancing to the Village People.